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kamion (kamion) wrote,
@ 2008-04-23 00:37:00

and the award goes to......
" I am not sure we should do this."

" Why not, Potter, that judge looks like a very wise man to me."

" But would it not be unsupportive to JKR."

" What has wise judgement to do with supportiveness?"

" Well don't we own it to Jo, she gave our world shape."

" She gave you a cupboard under the stair the first 11 years of your life."

" You just say that because she doesn't like you. "

" As if I care, as long as you like me enough to love me."

" It's more the other way around,
loving you doesn't always mean liking you.
Maybe we should tell her."

" Are you nutters? It would be in the Daily Prophet
within the hour and everybody will
start calling me Potter's Pet on the Internet.
I did not make it to Chief-Healer of St.Mungo
because I am so likable, but because I am the best
and certainly because I jumped a bangwagon.

" She said we never be friends."

" Which prooves she isn't always right."

I have a question that cropped up reading the court transscripts:
Harry Potter got protection against the Avada Kedavra curse
thanks to the sacrifies his mother made.
This protection residented in his blood, but the protection would be lifted as soon as he became of age at 17.

now Rowling says this:
The key point is that Voldemort is keeping alive in
7 his own body the sacrifice that Harry's mother made for him
8 17 -- 16 years previously
( (212) 805-0300 pg 149 84EVWAR5 )
Now this is the same magic that stopped working for Harry when becoming a man, but is still working in Voldemort ( thanks to " blood of an enemy, forfully taken")?
I don't understand how the same magic can stop working in one body but stiil active in the other.
JKR makes a big issue over not understanding the key point of her novel, but to me it starts to look like a key plot hole.
From the first reading that whole surviving issue did not ring right to me.

FRom HBP on it is explained that Voldemort cannot die because of the Horcruxes, which it the motic of the external soul. Now in a New York courtroom is reveiled that Lilly's sacrifice was effectively also a Horcrux?

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kabal42
2008-04-23 12:29 pm UTC (link)

You know, I never got that either. I was highly confused about her statements that we'd all misunderstood the big point.

So what does this mean?

For one, that it wasn't clear what the author intended. That's not really the readers' fault.
That there's some logic fallacy here, exactly as you say above - if the enchantment ends, it should end. Either that, or we need a reason why it didn't.
Lily's sacrifice is more important than Harry's in the end. This kind of undermines the idea that the books are about Harry.

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kamion
2008-04-23 10:13 pm UTC (link)

quote:
Lily's sacrifice is more important than Harry's in the end. This kind of undermines the idea that the books are about Harry

I too get the strong suspicion, that the books are not as much about Harry as presented.
They certainly were not about Snape, but it could be that Lilly is the most important figure. Although she is fleshed out very mediocre, she still presents the ideal woman and ideal mother.
Is this the woman Rowling really wanted to be when she started writing, the way the dead ones support Harry in the Forest again is almost Mary Sue like. Is this the moment Rowling writes herself into the story?
Really from the very start? The moment she herself was a selfsacrificing all alone mother in those early cold dark days in Edinburgh?

She came with that sobstory again in court and after hearing it a bit too much the spell of it loses some of its power. Especially when the house that represents all those days of hardship is in one documentery totally different from that in the other docu.

The real heroine faced Evil all alone, her love and life and husband is non-existing, all he does is racing heads on into a car-crash. Over time his image started getting more and more negative. When there ever was a positive image of James Snr. at the start, it is completely washed from memory by the time he is called an arrogant toerag by Lilly himself

I wondered already a long time why Lilly Evans loved James Potter so much, but never ever was there given a line that explains it.
Sorry, I have seen more logic in fanfic that turned Harry and Draco from bitter enemies into lovers.

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kabal42
2008-04-23 10:27 pm UTC (link)

As I typed the response to you, I got the unpleasant suspicion that the books might in fact be about Lily. Or at least that Lily's actions trumps anyone else's. I think the parallel to the ideal mother is very astutely seen; Rowling idealises motherhood and the sacrificing mother is probably her role-model. How sad.

I remember reading your comment about the different houses. I've only seen 1 of the docu's about her, and that one had both her childhood home, her "poverty flat", the writing café and yet another flat where she wrote some of the later books. So I'd be confused *G*

I also agree with the problem with Lily and James. It's not enough to tell us in interviews that "he improved" and that they loved each other - you have to bloody well show it, too! (Just like we need to be shown that Ginny and Harry are genuinely attached instead of just random flash-backs from Harry during DH.)

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